Boxing Vs. MMA… (In Theory)

30 Jan

I’m always looking for an excuse to post a Genki Sudo video, and Tnells Floyd Mayweather post about him potentially coming to MMA made me think of this fight (albeit 3 weeks later)…  This is an extreme example for obvious reasons (350lbs vs. 145 lbs!) but historically boxers haven’t fared well in MMA.  Its worth a view for laughs anyways.  Someone needs to edit this clip with the Mike Tyson’s Punchout music and SFX.   Also funny is the Japanese announcers saying “Butt-ahhhh-beeeen”.


Posted by on January 30, 2008 in Author, Mazz, MMA, Videos


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73 responses to “Boxing Vs. MMA… (In Theory)

  1. glenn leslie

    February 1, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    mma vs pro boxers ha ha ha if you put a mma guy in the ring with a boxer with boxing rules the mma ,s fart s would die !!!!!!!!EVERY TIME NO D …NO CHIN NOTHIN ALLWAYS KD WITH ONE PUNCH THEY CANT BOX AND ROLLING AROUND ONE THE FLOOR LIKE SOME KIDS WITH A SEXUALITY CONFUSSION THATS YOUR MMA BIG GLENN LESLIE SAYS CARLOS MONZON WAS the man !!!!!!!BIGGLENN@EMAIL.COM

    • Will Storer

      October 10, 2018 at 2:35 am

      A knockout is debatable. Ok, he went down and couldn’t get back up by a ten count. So what? But a chokeout is unequivocal. All I have to do is hold it long enough and you’re literally dead. There’s no covering up and recovering, no debate as to whether or not it was the right decision … DEAD!

  2. Mazz

    February 4, 2008 at 10:59 am

    haha damn nice comment. Your sentence structure makes it obvious you’ve taken some shots to the head. “Sexuality Confussion” ROFL!

    wtf does “s fart s” mean? lol damn man u r we todd ed

    Stay in school kids.

  3. glenn leslie

    February 6, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    i have very little time to make corrections on a friends computer however dont judge my grammer etc your just a freekin snob …..OR A SORRY ASS …OLD TEACHER..? or a jerk right you wanna fight bigglenn i doubt it so shut your mouth mma cant beat top pro boxers go way back to o w o sd and watch what a female boxer jackie tonawanda … ko a black belt chump with one puch you think this sense died !!!!!!AND ALSO more recently ann wolfs crushing ko over ma champ 6,6 vonda ward nuff said you have assholeism !!!! BIGGLENN ROLLING AROUND ON THE FLOOR WITH YOUR KNEES ON SOMEONES SHOULDERS IS THAT A FIGHT IS IT OR JUST KIDS STUFF ..????????

  4. tnell

    February 7, 2008 at 9:47 am

    Sorry I don’t base my opinions on women fighting. But I see where you’re coming from. Boxer vs. MMA: Boxer holds the advantage in the boxing ring, MMA holds the advantage in the octagon or whatever. No need to argue it any further. Apples and Oranges.

  5. Mazz

    February 9, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Apparently Big Glenn isn’t much a fan of MMA. No worries man to each his own. It is pretty much apples and oranges. I just think its funny that Butterbean lost to Genki Sudo with a 200 pound weight differential.

    Female boxers are probably better than female MMA fighters… but thats totally irrelevant by all means. Sorry ladies.

    Did you seriously call me an “OLD TEACHER”? lolol classic material

  6. big mike

    February 13, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    the question is: “who wins in a real fight?”in the ring or cage is the only place an mma cat has a chance against an elite boxer. anything can happen and no one is invincible. but in a street fight the mma ground and hugger is going to lose 90% of the time. you can bet on that beause it ain’t how hard you get hit, but how clean. don’t load up on your shots kids because if you miss against a talented prize fighter he will make you pay. you would lose all your teeth before you get your takedown, and the missionary position? what the hell is that? tito ortiz, bj penn and don frye all got put to sleep by butter bean leverl boxers in street fights so how can they fair against a 250 wins fighter like mayweather? holyfield, who tyson ducked all the way back to the amateures (mike who!)? i like watching mma but they are light years behind in the hand skills and reflexes department.

  7. Mazz

    February 14, 2008 at 10:03 am

    I’ll use Bruce Lee as my example of MMA speed and reflexes since Jeet Kune Do was essentially a mixed martial art. He also studied Ali’s boxing religiously and implemented many boxing techniques into his own style.

    I think in general alot of MMA fighters are pretty slow and lacking style. Then there’s a few like GSP and Anderson Silva that might not win against a Mayweather in a boxing match but in an MMA fight they’d feed him some knees and take a W. I think in MMA there are too many variables that come into play for a boxer to deal with.

    I think in boxing, they are fast and accurate enough to lay most MMA fighters out, especially with smaller gloves on. But if they miss once against a good MMA fighter its probably game over.

    And Don Frye pretty much got sucker punched while he was drunk.

  8. Mazz

    February 14, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Also what is the statistic? 75% of all fights go to the ground?

  9. tnell

    February 14, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    There’s also a statistic that like 90% of fights or something start out with a straight right. That’s why I hate comparing these two sports. Way to many variables. IMO a boxer has a better shot in an MMA fight than an MMA fighter does in a boxing bout because the boxer always has a better puncher’s chance in a MMA fight than an MMA fighter would in boxing. That’s just my opinion.

    On the street, I’d honestly give the MMA fighter the slight edge because if the fighters got tied up somehow, an experienced MMA fighter could easily grab a standing guillotine or kimura or some shit. On the other hand: say I’m a boxer and I realize the dude I’m fighting is some crazy BJJ practitioner and he grabs onto my neck or arm. I know he’s trying to break my shit so I’m immediately clawing eyes, grabbin nuts and biting. The thing is that most fights are drunken slugfests and no one is trying to go to the ground anyway. Assuming this, I give the boxer the edge. I also don’t expect the MMA to try and use too many ground techniques on the street for fear of being slammed and scraped on the concrete. I could be wrong though. Mounting and taking the back seem the most realistic.

  10. big mike

    February 14, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    roy jones jr working the double end bag on utube = 30 punches in 3 seconds! bruce lee could not match that. boxing is 95% natural reflexes when you reach a jones jr level or muhamad ali, you are going to need to have a plan in place to avoid those quick reflexes! ali’s right hand landed from his initial throwing position to the extended “shadow punch” across sony listen’s chin in 4/100s of a second. can you do that? can gsp throw like jones jr? look if you want to stop a kick boxer then back him up with combinations and make sure they count. kick boxers are trained to back straight up to get out of kick range, this is a fatal mistake against a boxer because you are at the knock out snap range of his arsenal, plus you can not kick backing away. wrestlers will take you down on the pavement (street) because its what they know (pain), which is why they pose more of a problem for a boxer because if he takes the punch and gets you down, it changes it all. however can you see royce gracie in the 90’s grabbing big george foreman by the hips trying for the take down, then getting a shot to the back of the neck with those 12″ wrists? you gotta give elite boxers their due. a kick boxer got his clock cleaned in wec last night by a (novice) wrestler/boxer. notice how the kick boxer moved straight back after every jab or right hand? what the boxer needed to do was pull the trigger with multiple shots (see roy jones jr), which he eventually did, to close the show. yes don frye was drunk thats why a 60 year old samoan dude scored the knock down (where was david tua when you needed him huh pops?). i think mma is cool and fun but they persist to say that they are superior to the likes of ali, jones, holyfield etc. that is the false sense of security that gets exposed when they try it out at the bars or basketball courts or wherever. it is best to be humble. “don’t ever hit a civillian even if they insist because when their head hits the cement like a bag of rice they could die. just use your jab and move around and find an exit. or better yet invite them to a gym to put some gloves on, so there will be no hard feelings”. that is what my boxing coaches taught me and i am glad to pass it on brothers, keep the peace.

  11. tnell

    February 14, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    “but they persist to say that they are superior to the likes of ali…”

    Who said this?

  12. big mike

    February 17, 2008 at 1:40 am

    maybe not said but insinuated by all of the original ufc dudes like royce gracie but never backed up. i’m telling you man, when you get inside the punch range of an elite boxer you are going to get cracked. it just depends on whether or not you can take the shot and still take him to the mat, even then you don’t know how strong these cats are. it is so much harder to be a world champion boxer than an mma one. you have to be faster, stronger and smarter to beat a guys limited using only hands. the human body can do amazing things and when you focus on hand skills alone, 8 hours a day, no one in the world can beat you. try changing up a series of 6 punch combinations, jab – right – hook – uppercut – hook – right, right – hook – upper – hook – jab, etc etc, and land 6 punches in one second! each punch has clean devestating power and when it lands it sounds like “brrraaap”
    Jose torres was a light heavy champ who would t hit the bag 6 shots per second after his coach called out the various combo’s. the problem for boxers is that ufc is not a challenge for them. that don’t mean they don’t respect them, just ain’t much of a challenge and not worth the risk.

  13. Mazz

    February 17, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    When Tnell makes an argument for boxing it makes total sense because he is a fan of both and is unbiased. When people with the word “Big” in front of their name try, they just sound ignorant. Why is this?

    You are obviously a boxer so your opinion is blatantly biased. My thing with boxers is that they don’t practice sprawling. How hard would it be for a wrestler to score a take down on someone thats never even sprawled? A wrestlers takedown when set up right is impossible to dodge without knowing how to sprawl. Not saying that a boxer couldn’t knock out a wrestler in two seconds, I’m saying boxers are not invincible as you “insinuate”.

    “insinuated by all of the original ufc dudes like royce gracie but never backed up” – Thats total bullshit. Gracie beat half of his opponents from his back which is why he is such a revered UFC veteran. How do you even compare that with the greatest boxer of all times? You don’t. I don’t recall anyone ever claiming Ali status or all of them insinuating that. You are making shit up.

    “the human body can do amazing things and when you focus on hand skills alone, 8 hours a day, no one in the world can beat you.” No one in the world huh? Okay now you just sound either brainwashed or crazy. Completely ignorant statement. I got one word for hand speed argument… BOB SAPP! lol…

    “land 6 punches in one second! each punch has clean devestating power and when it lands it sounds like “brrraaap” – 6 punches in one second wouldn’t be to devasting if you are racing a clock in an attempt to be cool and claim you can punch 6 times in one second.

    “the problem for boxers is that ufc is not a challenge for them.” – How would they know if they never try? Who has even tried? Ray Mercer? Oh wait…

    “just ain’t much of a challenge and not worth the risk.” – Not worth the risk of getting taken to the mat and completely humiliated if/when the punches don’t work out. Also at risk is their boxer mega-ego.

    “roy jones jr working the double end bag on utube = 30 punches in 3 seconds!” – Wow impressive! So he is undefeated then right?… right? Its a fight not a training spectacle.

    “Bruce lee could not match that.” – You are calling Bruce Lee slow? Wow. Repent for your sins. Actually Bruce was pretty ill on the bags and he studied Ali’s style more than anyones. Bruce Lee could out box alot of people in his prime. You could even argue that Bruce Lee was a boxer.

    “across sony listen’s chin in 4/100s of a second.” – Video evidence please. Lightspeed?

    “however can you see royce gracie in the 90’s grabbing big george foreman by the hips trying for the take down, then getting a shot to the back of the neck with those 12″ wrists?” – Yeah Royce Gracie is a heavyweight so this analogy makes perfect sense. (Sarcasm) And Jui Jitsu people don’t grab hips as far as I know. Makes a little more sense to grab a leg. Goes to show how much you don’t know. Also punching to the back of the head/neck is illegal. Also since when do people punch with 12 inch wrists?

    “a kick boxer got his clock cleaned in wec last night by a (novice) wrestler/boxer. ” – I agree, a person with ground AND standup skills is more likely to win an MMA fight. Thank you for contradicting your own theory. LOLOL! Wow this is too easy.

    “it is best to be humble.” – Yeah maybe you should try it cuz your statements are mega biased.

    “the problem for boxers is that ufc is not a challenge for them.” – The problem for boxers is that UFC doesn’t pay nearly as much. When boxers fight in MMA fights and win 100% of the time, then and only then will it not be a challenge. When you are fighting a style you are not trained to fight, it will be a challenge regardless of if you win or lose.

    Oh yeah and you can kick while moving backwards people do it all the time. Its called a “leg kick”. This isn’t Double Dragon, not all kicks are spinning roundhouses or back flipping double chin kicks or w/e. Peace out Rocky.

    For the record Fight Night 3 is my favorite PS3 game… Hopkins owns

  14. tnell

    February 17, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    big mike:

    You have to remember that most mixed martial artists have good fundemental boxing skills learned from professional boxing coaches. While they may not possess the ability to stand and bang with a prize fighter or even last one round, they definately have what it takes to know what they’re doing hopefully long enough to get in range to take the fight to the ground or whatever their main strategy may be in a cage. Both guys know what they’re doing, but the boxer is just more seasoned, trained and probably talented in the knuckle game. It’s not a shot in the dark for the MMA guy however. He’s got more in his bag of tricks, so when he thinks the stand-up isn’t working out (hopefully he’s not KO’d by then), he has a A LOT more to fall back on.

    There are two many variables, especially in the street that makes the two sports hard to compare hypothetically. There really is no point unless you have a controlled experiment LOL.

  15. big mike

    February 17, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    you’re right mazz, don’t take what i say personally. i have to stick up for the old school boxers and i apologize. tnell, some things can not be taught and come from the experience of 100-200 fights like being able to dodge bullets and fire back at full speed. being fully acclimated to any type of presence in the ring ( slugger or boxer, counter pucher etc). the same argument that a matt hughes is going to outclass you in wrestling is without controversy. you can learn how to sprawl but that won’t keep him from getting his take down because he’s taken the best down, and done it for 2-3 decades. you can learn how to throw punches correctly but dodging and landing them is something that one must learn from experience. get a hold of tyson and holyfield one, watch it and then take a look at the same interactions of tyson pulling the trigger and holyfield returning fire in super slow motion. you will notice that at full speed mike is just missing by a hair while holy moves and returns fire, it is one hell of an example when you see it slowed down. here is a technique that i would advise a good boxer to do if a good grappler shoots in for a take down around the waiste; throw the straight right and don’t even close your fist just blast that fool to the top, side, ear, back of the head with your hand open. it would be kind of a glorified stiff arm except instead of a football player throwing it while running, you can get a profesional punch landed without worrying about missing his chin or temple. if i were to land such a blow, you could reckon it as a man running head first into a brick wall without a helmet, maybe not knocking him out but certainly sending him a little greeting. as far as bruce lee goes anyone can look good on camera. what got me into boxing as a kid was the sportsmanship in it. you could lose a fight and still shake your oponents hand and that was cool. a lot like that ufc guy randy cotoure. it ain’t the same in mma, at least not in hawaii, there are a lot of punks with something to prove at these dojos. it is not just the money it is the level of challenge bro trust me it looks pretty damn easy.

  16. big mike

    February 17, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    one more thing mazz, it is not how hard you get hit man! its how clean (please learn this its for your own good bro), roy does not need to hit you 6 times in one second but the fact that he can throw 10 per second (one clean tap on your chin and you are gone), you better not leave no openings when shooting in because if any striker is going to land that hook to the temple or uppercut to the chin it is someone like him. and as far as gracie, who did he beat? to me they looked like bums and he was one against hughes.

  17. tnell

    February 17, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    That double up on the left hook by Roy is filthy.

  18. Mazz

    February 17, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Yeah I suppose a good boxer can bring punches from alot of angles too. And yeah I agree that their dodging and footwork is probably 10 times better than MMA fighters. Gracie shouldn’t have fought Hughes. I think Gracie is overrated myself as some of the people he embarrassed were pretty awful and they didn’t know any Jui Jitsu themselves. Someone of Royce Gracie’s level would get worked in MMA these days as most MMA fighters know counters and such what not to do compared to the old days of UFC when it was Martial Arts and not Mixed Martial Arts.

    Personally I would love to see someone like Mayweather get some ground skills and put on a standup clinic against some of the MMA slackers and be able to keep it on the ground.

    As far as Bruce Lee goes you would do well to study up on him. He was far from just an actor. His boxing was supposedly pretty advanced.

    I’m glad I made this post cuz I learned alot about a theoretcal matchup. The main thing that I think MMA fighters have as an advatage is the necessary ability of adjusting to different opponents on a match to match basis.

    Boxers must do the same I’m sure but the degree isn’t the same as MMA styles and strengths fluxate much more then boxing. I appreciate the accuracy, speed, and power that boxers have and especially Stamina and endurance but in the end I just don’t see them as well rounded fighters since their art is strictly stand up.

    I would have to say my favorite fights to watch are kick boxing matches because their is a great element of boxing and they also incorporate kicks and some take downs. I do love seeing people get worked with a flurry of fists and then pounded with a nice kick.

  19. big mike

    February 19, 2008 at 1:36 am

    jeremy williams is a golden glove hall of fame boxer, who fought for a world title he is 3 and 0 in mma. he is not as fast and good as holyfield was or mayweather is but as far as boxers go he is one of the better ones trying his hand at it. he will fight again in honolulu next month. here is a clip.

  20. Smoke

    February 19, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    I don’t think that MMA is a lesser fighting style than boxing. I think its the fact that great boxers like mayweather and jones make millions per fight. They spend millions for good training as well. The training Floyd Mayweather goes through for a fight is something that most MMA fighters would lose there breath just watching. I think if MMA starting paying out better to its fighters the caliber of athlete would increase but at a cost as their athletes would become prize fighers like boxers. Boxers are the greatest athletes in the world bar none.

  21. Mazz

    February 20, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Yeah Smoke 12 round fight I would have to agree.
    Gotta give some credit to Pride guys though. They had long ass rounds although they aren’t standing and banging the whole time.

    But yeah I never thought of money being an issue for training but thats a great point. I think alot of MMA fighters are pretty cocky too and slack off because of it. I’ve seen alot of bigger named MMA guys get winded way too early because of that.

  22. Mike

    February 23, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Mazz my good man, i liked the following article written by a martial arts instructer on sportsfighting and think you would too. however, he did not bring to the front my take on clean vs hard punching. go go power rangers!

  23. big mike

    March 18, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    jeremy half man half amazing went to 4 and 0 saturday in honolulu

  24. Ripper187

    April 9, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    I was taught different fighting styles including traditional boxing.

    I also work at an MMA studio where we often spar in a boxing ring with boxing rules.

    I can honestly say that Boxers & MMA ‘ists are evenly matched in striking skill ,except for the FACT that MMA’ists can take a punch waaay better than boxers.

    BESIDES THIS FACT,…. When watch an MMA fight, you see a REAL FIGHT!!!!

    When you see boxing, you see two prancing fairies with fear in their eyes whose bark is worse than their bite.

    Also,… in real life, if you pull that faggot boxing shit on me, i will very easily break your arm, break your jaw, take your wallet ( & your girl) and flip you over so you don’t choke on your tongue.

    • Mazz

      January 25, 2011 at 12:57 am

      omg lol like 2 years later this comment makes me crack up!

  25. tnell

    April 10, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    “except for the FACT that MMA’ists can take a punch waaay better than boxers.”

    This makes no sense. They are all humans beings. Their “chin strength” has nothing to do with which sport they chose. Vitor Belfort is both a MMA’ist and a boxer. So by your logic, as a MMA’ist he has a better chin than when he is boxing? LOL! It could be argued that Arturo Gatti has a better chin than Chris Leben. It can also be argued that Forrest Griffin has a better chin than Jermain Taylor. But you can’t just generalize. Different weighted gloves, more punches in a 12 round boxing match typically land than in an MMA bout, etc. A lot of variables involved.

    “When you see boxing, you see two prancing fairies with fear in their eyes whose bark is worse than their bite.”

    Yeah Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, Kelly Pavlik, Arturo Gatti and so on all look terrified in there :\

    I don’t even know why I responded though. The bias in your comment was so painfully obvious that I shouldn’t have wasted my time. That’s why you don’t argue which sport is more difficult/better with a mixed martial artist or boxer.

  26. Kimbo Slice

    July 12, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Simply put…

    boxing be gone…

  27. tnell

    July 13, 2008 at 10:49 am

    “Simply put…boxing be gone…”

    Fight of the year coming up between Antonio Margarito & Miguel Cotto on 7/26
    We could be seeing Pacquiao take on Hatton in the near future
    Hatton vs. Malignaggi about to be signed
    Paul Williams moving up a few weight classes to challenge Pavlik is rumored
    Mosley vs. Mayorga
    Judah vs. Clottey
    Jone Jr. vs. Calzaghe
    Yuri Gamboa tons of talent on the rise
    Rahman vs. Lights out Toney
    Juan Diaz vs. Michael Katsidis
    Casamayor vs. Juan Manuel Marquez
    Nate Campbell vs. Joan Guzman
    David Haye before years end
    De La Hoya before years end

    Boxing is strong right now…

  28. Hank

    August 13, 2008 at 3:15 am

    First of all, realize a boxer wears boxing gloves for a reason. MMA gloves on a boxer? Man things would break when a boxer hit the opponent with those small gloves on. If the boxer did not break his hand he would certainly break the opps face or ribs.

    Second, why do you all think a boxer would lose all his skills and just fall apart the minute he hit the ground “if” he was grabbed and taken down? A boxer is going to do , at the least, the one thing he does well if he is on the ground. He is going to do what he is trained to do. he is going to pound away on any open spot with his fist. Things will break, ribs, noses, teeth. A boxer developes his muscles to hit and knockout. A boxer is even trained to hit the inside of an opps arm to disable it to a degree, and thats with boxing gloves! If a MMA arms are around the body of an opponent, then where are the boxers fist?
    Third, and I am going to say here what has not been said. A part of MMA has to be fake. I watch it and the fighters miss each others faces when on the ground more often than not. Besides, if they where really hit in the face with those little gloves the fighters face would like a bucket of smashed crabs.

  29. Adam

    December 27, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Ok, if an MMA fighter and a boxer box have equal time in training. Say three years. The boxer Im sure will win because thats all he knows is hands. In a street fight or anywhere else. Cage, ring, back yard, the MMA fighter would certainly smash the boxer. If you people knew anything about ground fighting you would’t say shit like “missionary position” haha! PLEASE! Its all body mechanics and science bub. There is far more technique in ground fighting than pure boxing. I know cause Ive trained in both. If you’re a boxer and I take you down or throw a Thai kick to your quad you wont know what the hell to do. Yes MMA fighters can take harder blows than boxers. We fight with 4 OZ gloves not those pillow hands you use. It hurts worse plain and simple. All the energy is concentrated in a small area with MMA gloves. If you’re gonna run your mouth go to a legit MMA school and do it.

  30. Adam

    December 27, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Oh, and many MMA fighters were boxers first and ya know what happened? A jiu-jistu guy broke their arm or choked them out most of the time HA!

  31. Adam

    December 27, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    The more I read the more I must reply!
    MMA guys get winded because the wrestling aspect is HARD! WAY HARD! I am not in the best shape and wrestled a boxer at my gym who came to learn. He could not breath after a few 3 minute rounds. Yes he lasted that long because in practice we submit and instantly keep going for the cardio workout. We arent in there to hurt new guys lol!

  32. tom the boxer

    January 19, 2009 at 1:51 am

    just look at how many fights in the last ufc are being finished by someone getting taken out my a strike. I will call it a punch. about 90%. more and more the mma guys are going to boxing gyms and getting their asses handed to them. look what rampage just did . thank you boxing coaches please. i am a boxer and a couple years ago i always laughed at their pathetic handskills.

    MY friend a mma dude. and he still will not pratice on the boxing side of the gym. I told him he is going to get knockedout if he gets into the ring. and I see other fools always on the mat never in the boxing ring. I have been starting to do mma training. after 28 boxing matches . I was a good wrestler too. as a matter of fact i went to the mma dude side and chocked all of them out . If i ever hit one of those poor guys i would be afraid i would kill one of them. look at poor iceman . what an idiot . he comes from the old strike club where he keeps his hands at his waist and gets knocked out by a huge overhand right. he needs to retire he will have permanent brain damage .. my grandfather had 65 pro fights my cousin tony licata who fought carlos monzon. and many others who have schooled me .give me a knowelege that the armchair guys just don’t have. I like mma but not one guy could ever get in the ring and last very long with a boxer , and vice versa

  33. Paul

    January 24, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    POWER is strength combined with speed/quickness. I don’t see too many MMA fighters who have the power of top flight boxers (Urijah Faber, the WEC featherweight, maybe). Those puffy gloved dudes have such amazingly quick reflexes that they’d drop most MMA guys pronto. No dis to MMA. I love the sport! The athletes are tough as any, and as well-conditioned. But not as quick. For an analogy, think of division 1 college football linemen. Lots of em are as big as the pros. They can deadlift and bench as much weight. But the pros explode off the line like frigging cobras. Beer guts and all. Quickness + strength. That’s where it’s at.

  34. bxscikid

    January 26, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Why is everyone comparing MMA vs Boxing with boxing rules? Why not compare with MMA rules? Yeah a MMA fighter might lose if there was a fight using boxing rules but then again a Boxer will lose if it was in a fight with MMA rules. It’s two different things.

    PS. In a street-fight a boxer will get his ass kicked, guess most of you don’t watch Muay Thai. Most MMA fighters know Muay Thai. Muay Thai has everything from strikes and elbows to knees and kicks. Only reason real fighters are on the ground is because they are using BJJ (MMA meaning “MIXED MARTIAL ARTS” different kinds of fighting styles combined). Boxing vs Muay Thai—> Muay Thai will murder. Look up Muay Thai on Youtube. Guess most of u boxing fans don’t really watch other combat sports.

  35. GSP

    January 26, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    LMAO, all these ppl act like they are pro boxers. MMA is “Mixed Martial Arts” meaning many kinds of combat sports put together. All you guys criticize is BJJ. That is only a part of MMA, it also has Kick boxing, Savate, Taekwondo, Sambo, Boxing, etc mixed with it. MMA also consist of Muay Thai, I’d like to see a Western boxer go up against a Thai boxer. Muay Thai has punching, kneeing, kicking, and elbowing. Guess all you guys watch is regular old boxing, watch some Muay Thai on youtube, then STFU.

    PS. Why do u guys keep saying that a MMA fighter will lose to a boxer in a match with boxing rules? Why can’t it be a match with MMA rules?

    FYI- The art of Taekwondo uses the best reflexes.

  36. John

    January 28, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Alright I gotta get in on this one. First of all you really can’t compare the two. But if we must why not just look back all the way to UFC 1. Boxers have entered the octagon many times and gotten rocked. I believe in the octagon MMA fighter wins it and in the boxing ring a boxer wins it DUH! But i think another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is the size of boxers gloves. UFC gloves are much smaller and unable to block the type of shots that boxers can block with there balloon sized gloves. Also a boxer might be used to taking lots of shots and get into a UFC rings and get one shotted from the 4 ounce gloves. Regardless boxers would have to worry about takedowns..knees..submissions…etc. Do I think boxers with no training would be completely useless on the ground? YES! Your retarded to think otherwise yes they could throw some shots from down there but your seriously mistaken if you think they would do much good with a guy on top dropping bombs or looking for a submission that you dont know a damn thing what to do about. Boxers are definately crisper strikers that doesnt mean they hit harder! Boxing is about points most the time look at Fedor. HORRIBLE boxer but he throws fucking wrecking balls that will knock you out. Look at what he did to Andre arlovski who was training with Freddie Roach BTW. In mma it just takes that one hard shot to rock someone thats why boxers can stand in front of eachother and bang it out but in mma they are usually much more cautious about taking shots.

  37. John

    January 28, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    Alright I gotta get in on this one. First of all you really can’t compare the two. But if we must why not just look back all the way to UFC 1. Boxers have entered the octagon many times and gotten rocked. I believe in the octagon MMA fighter wins it and in the boxing ring a boxer wins it DUH! But i think another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is the size of boxers gloves. UFC gloves are much smaller and unable to block the type of shots that boxers can block with there balloon sized gloves. Also a boxer might be used to taking lots of shots and get into a UFC rings and get one shotted from the 4 ounce gloves. Regardless boxers would have to worry about takedowns..knees..submissions…etc. Do I think boxers with no training would be completely useless on the ground? YES! Your retarded to think otherwise yes they could throw some shots from down there but your seriously mistaken if you think they would do much good with a guy on top dropping bombs or looking for a submission that you dont know a damn thing what to do about. Boxers are definately crisper strikers that doesnt mean they hit harder! Boxing is about points most the time look at Fedor. HORRIBLE boxer but he throws fucking wrecking balls that will knock you out. Look at what he did to Andre arlovski who was training with Freddie Roach BTW. In mma it just takes that one hard shot to rock someone thats why boxers can stand in front of eachother and bang it out but in mma they are usually much more cautious about taking shots. And mike plz explain to me what a boxer would do or how they could hit a guy grappling him against the ropes and dirty boxing? You dont know anything about grappling so plz dont say blah blah blah if a mma guy had him on his waist hed be hitting him bull shit. no false

  38. John

    January 28, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    omg and you said a part of mma is fake hahah this isnt the WWE you lost all credability there. its called dodging the shots unlike boxing you cant take any unnecessary blows the gloves aren the size of pinatas so perhaps thats why bud. watch more mma brush up if u think its fake you honestly are the stupidest person alive mma fighters faces get much more fucked up than any boxers let alone submissions like when frank mir BROKE tim sylvias arm fuking idiots

  39. GSP

    February 23, 2009 at 10:08 am

    oooooooo, I c a lot of ppl have keyboard muscles. Bet most of you talking shit about MMA don’t even watch it. While the boxer tries to throw punches with his western style a Thai boxer will use his elbows, knees, kicks, and punches to take down his opponent. Then BJJ on the ground could break the boxers powerful arms, choke him out, etc.

    So MMA all day, Muay Thai all day!

  40. brulesrules001

    February 25, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Wrestler vs boxer: usually the wrestler wins but its can vary.

    Wrestler/boxer vs boxer: wrestler/boxer wins.

    Wrestler/boxer/kickboxer vs boxer: wrestler/boxer/kickboxer wins.

    Wrestler/boxer/kickboxer/Brazian jujitsu vs boxer: Wrestler/boxer/kickboxer/Brazian jujitsu wins.

    MMA would win any day of the week. It is basic logic because MMA is real fighting. If any of you boxers think you can fight on the ground with a good wrestler without training, then your retarded and you would get your ass kicked.

  41. Macha

    March 25, 2009 at 7:03 am

    One good aspect of the conventional boxing stance is that is easy to transition into a sprawl for take down, and it enables the boxer to back and side-step easily as long as they are light on their feet. And to the comment of boxers using ‘puffy’ gloves, boxers hit hard, and people suffer brain damage from boxing. The so-called ‘puffy’ gloves are to reduce that chance. I don’t see those MMA guys wearing the puffies and throwing punches that rival those of boxers’.

    Boxers can’t take punches???

    Boxers have great conditioning. They can take punches well, and I always see MMA fighters flinching and covering up after 2 or 3 hits. It’s hilarious how some MMA fighters and fanboys alike think they are invincible and that no-one can beat them, and then get whiny and trash-talkie when someone contradicts them.

    Can take a hit, but can’t take a spit. HAHAHAAHAHAA

  42. MMAGuy

    March 26, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    You guys need to catch up BIG TIME. Boxing is dying for a reason. I will give it to you that in a boxing match, any MMA fighter in the world would get CRUSHED by a legit boxer. But a street fight is alot more like MMA. I used to hate MMA, and the UFC, I said “anyone can do that, it takes REAL skill to box at an elite level” But when my cousin started getting me free tickets to K-1 kickboxing, I saw an aspect of fighting I hadnt given credit to: LEG KICKS. I saw all these boxing stylists getting choped down like trees with leg kicks that took the fight out of them (you cant punch right if you cant pivot) and then getting hammered with mid, and high kicks.

    Example: Micheal McDonald is a boxing stylist with decent form and KO power, he also Idolizes Ali and Tyson. Remy Bonjaski is a muy thai stylist with poor boxing and ok power in his hands at best. When the two met, I thought Micheal would work his way in close and box Remy up, and while it was a good close fight, Remy stayed outside, landed leg kicks that made MM stand flat footed and took away his footwork. When he did come in close, Remy grabbed a muy thai clinch, to which boxing has no defense, and pounded away with knees to the body and head.

    In conclusion, Remys assault caused all the types of damage a fighter can take in a boxing match, from further range, and with the addition of leg kicks to take away footwork.

    After analyzing this fight, I came to the conclusion that boxing is the most primative form of martial art restricting any assault to punches to the head and body. Which is why nobody in MMA uses a stance or style such as in boxing, because in MMA a process similar to natural selection has weened out the parts of boxing that are ineffective in a REAL fight.

    Anyone who says that MMA fighters have no chin have not seen Wanderlei Silva vs. Rampage I. I have never seen a boxer take that much damage to the chin.

    So all this said, you should now understand that fighters like Anderson Silva, GSP, Kenny Florian, and Miguel Torres are not just soft chins and weak punches, they are the future of combat sports.

    A street fight is like an MMA match sith no refree. And if you think a boxer can rely on a punchers chance, what do you think MMA fighters are thinking at the start of a fight? “Theres no way he tries to punch me, so no need to stay outside, work the leg kicks, switch my timing and shoot for the takedown, no need at all!” If thats what you think, your full of it. An MMA fighter is watching for ANY type of attack you can bring, a boxer is looking for punches.

    If you still think that a boxer has a snowballs chance in hell in a street fight, theres no helping you.

  43. janelle

    April 7, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    where do you train? I live in Houston, Tx and need a trainer.

  44. Anonymous

    April 10, 2009 at 7:54 am

    Art Jimmerson VS Royce Gracie. (That’s right kiddos, WBO and Olympic Boxer never got to fire off a punch. Look it up)

    Floyd Mayweather’s (hillarious) backpeddling with immediate apology to Sean Sherk after claiming he’d knock him out in a heartbeat (that is, until they met face to face to sign the deal).

    Give it a rest. The only people who don’t know by now are the dying breed of Boxer Evangelists who believe that boxing can do anything, even fuel the Earth’s core if the Sun died out. They think Boxing invented the Moon, and that the Boxing=MC2.

    Boxing is the sport of punching. Nothing glorified there, cheif. It is what it is. Punching. Probably the most evolved form of punching on the planet (the doctrine I personally use in my standup game); but punching nonetheless.

    To say ‘Boxing VS MMA’ is like to say Canada VS NATO; it’s about one of the most ridiculous things ever. You’re an idiot for asking, and anyone who thinks Boxing has a piss-shot in hell is about as dumbfucked as you are. It shows that you don’t know what MMA is, so we’ll start your education there, kiddo…

    ‘MMA’ as you so tentively put it, stansd for ‘Mixed Martial Arts’… something that incorporates many different styles of fighting. I’ll list the ones I’ve seen used to success personally…

    Karate (I personally woulda called this a worthless art, but when’s the last time you saw Lyoto Machida? Chuck Liddell? I guess it just depends on the person…)
    Catch/Shoot Wrestling
    Gracie JuJitsu (which, I think is what you dumbfucks are calling ‘MMA’ lol, which still fucks boxing up 10/10 times… watch the early UFCs to watch A.Jimmerson get manhandled without ever being able to fire off a punch hahaha)
    Muay Thai (Brutal. Period. If you don’t know, go learn)
    Sambo (I personally don’t know too much about this, but from what I’ve seen it’s actually effective, doesn’t rely on mysticism or magical powers- just power and technique)

    So, what we get here, is a mixture of combat-effective styles that encompass virtually every real fighting style known to man. So, it can be said, that ‘MMA’ is actually just a term to imply ‘various fighting styles’… even boxing.

    Your failure is epic; about as epic as watching Floyd Mayweather see Sean Sherk and stutter while he apologized. Just, classic.

    (My other favorite is when boxers fall back on Muhammad Ali to save the good name of boxing… Muhammad who also fought in an MMA event… I bet you didn’t know that did you? Good take a peek at the results of that LOL… his injuries sustained to his legs lead to the demise of his boxing career. Go learn: look up Antonio Inoki VS Muhummed Ali)

    Peace bitchtits.

  45. Chuck Steak

    April 28, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    I think one big aspect is being overlooked. Leg kicks. One or two solid legs kicks to a straight up boxer and things will go south.

    I contend that a boxer wins with boxing rules most times and an MMA’ist wins with MMA rules most times. But it’s a fight, anything can happen.

  46. MMAGuru

    May 1, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    I guess they delete any anti boxing posts that break it down to well. I posted on here and didnt use profanity or insult anyone, just gave an objective breakdown of why boxing is one dimentional, and is one of the least well rounded martial arts out there, and went into detail that i dont have time to go into again. It kind of pisses me off, like, alot!

    Boxers will never, ever, ever, ever win in an MMA match. I dont care what calliber boxer you are, theres no chance, boxing doesnt teach the tools it takes to defenda against an mma fighter.

    Its like using the tools commonly found in a 6th grade classroom (scisors, paper sheers, and pencils) to build an f-22, you just dont have the tools to even defend against the most basic attacks.

    I dont know why they would delete my post. I had it nailed the first time.

    Pisses me off.

  47. MMAGuru

    May 1, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Alot of you guys are so off its not even funny. WAKE UP.

    Your saying that punching angles will defend a takedown?

    What about a leg kick? whats a punch gonna do to a kickboxer like CroCop?
    Im telling you because I know, boxing>kickboxing>MMA

  48. MMA

    May 10, 2009 at 3:55 pm


  49. John

    June 23, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    I think both shouldn’t really be compared because they have different rules and regulations. Also to that other “John” who made the statement about gloves, I can tell you both have disadvantages and advantages. MMA gloves are open so it’s easier to grab and clinch unlike a boxer’s gloves. MMA gloves also are not as padded so they will have more KO power than of a boxer. You’re right about how it performs well when it comes to blocking, boxer’s gloves have the advantage and that’s about it. Now, when it comes to Andre Arlovski, he didn’t really train boxing that long as well as other MMA fighter with “background” in boxing just like Rashad Evans. It’s really not hard to distinguish a fighter that knows boxing to the ones who does not. And for brulesrules001, I don’t really get your logic, because I think both MMA and Boxing are real fighting but with different rules and fighting styles (Being MMA having to incorporate many style). To be honest, I like both MMA and Boxing; MMA being interesting fore my age (age 22) and boxing for its pure show athleticism and well rounded techniques.

  50. g4ki_oN1

    July 9, 2009 at 2:55 am

    aight i have to reply, yes if a mma fighter gets a boxer on the ground he could probably choke his ass out. but boxing is so simple they master speed, power, and awareness. when you see someone doing a flying knee or an elbow boxer’s train themselves to weave and if all dodge the whole thing like roy jones jr does half the time. but their awareness is most likely better than an mma just because they have to dodge much faster and shorter ranged attacks. so street fight for say, boxer gives him a right to start off the match, mike tyson, i think the mma fighter will fall to the ground, if mike goes down to whoop his ass he might just get hurt. if he’s a smarter boxer and stays standing up like he’s trained to he’ll wait for him to get his ass up. pretty much im saying that boxer’s can read those attacks with massive damage much easier than a mma fighter can dodge many punches. boxer’s can also move their feet to prevent what happen to butter bean. watch roy jones jr and watch how evasive he is with his powerful punches

  51. Bruce Lee on XBox

    July 12, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Anderson Silva said that he would like to play against Roy Jones Jr with the boxing rules after his contract with UFC ends.

    Those who think boxing is better than MMA are pitty. Basically, what they say is that someone who knows how to use hand, leg, knee, and elbow will be worse than someone who only knows how to use hand, which is apparently wrong.

    UFC has earned way more money than boxing in payperview. More and more fans will switch to MMA. I think the worst thing of boxing is that it is very boring when players keep hugging each other again and again after a couple of rounds. Nothing exciting things happened after Tyson was out.

  52. aj

    July 14, 2009 at 2:35 am

    i did both boxing and mma. i left mma after 2 months cause it was to easy. i have been in boxing all my life. lets use common sense here. i was faster then the mma fighters with my boxing gloves on so with their gloves on i just embarrassed them. it was to easy to hit them. and since they swing for the fences everytime they never touched me. everytime they would go in for a take down i just hit them with straights all day. i went back to boxing cause it wasnt fun beating fighters with that low of a skill level.

  53. aj

    July 14, 2009 at 2:41 am

    miguel cotto had over 300 amateur fights against elite amateurs like him from all over the world before he turned pro. mma’s current heavyweight champ has 4 fights and he was a former WWE wrestling superstar.

  54. $$$$

    July 15, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    I do jeet kune do and majority of what the fundamentals are come from boxing, we started with learning punches, then moved on to kicks, locks, take downs all sorts of shit, but still focus closely on moves similar to boxing. That said i think that it really depends on the fight a good boxer could probably win if he gets a few good hits in before the fight really takes off but after that mma has way more range and diversity in moves, so the boxer never knows what he has coming. Fights too far to punch he has kicks, to close to punch he takes the boxer down, and in striking range we can box too so i think MMA takes it, if there good but its up to the fight and fighters put me against a pro boxer im done, put me against a person that has been boxing aslong as ive been doing mma i think i could take them

  55. John Staumph

    July 16, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Why does their have to be this big debate? One would think MMA fans would naturally enjoy boxing and vice versa, that is not the case. Fans on both sides (more on the MMA side it seems to me) even go out of their way to trash pro wrestling, which is ridiculous because that would be like trashing Van Damme for not being real enough in Bloodsport or Stallone not being real enough in Rocky. Wrestling is a totally different thing altogether, more of an art form than a fight. I can see why you would compare MMA to boxing (but I don’t see why you have to trash the other side), but I don’t even see why one would even compare either sport to pro wrestling.

    But anyway, simply put, a top MMA fighter would win an MMA fight. A top boxer would win a boxing match. Simple, easy to understand, and if you don’t agree with that you are simply a blind and ignorant fan of one or the other.

    What I will say is that I think the better athletes are still in boxing, faster, stronger, and tougher (as in taking flush chin shots) guys are in a boxing ring. And if you trained a top boxer in MMA styles for a few years they could be competitive or maybe even a top guy. Whereas if you trained a top MMA guy for a few years in boxing they wouldn’t be any better than average at best.

    Lesnar has sort of proven the theory that a “one trick pony” can still dominate the UFC (granted he’s huge, and heavyweight is not the strongest UFC division, etc, etc, but he is not proficient in any area other than wrestling), which sort of lends to the thought that a “one trick pony” in another area can possibly make it in MMA.

    I think boxing is more physically demanding than MMA and requires more stamina (longer fights, heavier gloves, can’t take it to the ground and regain stamina if gassed or stunned) as well. And again I just think the better pure athletes are still in boxing today.

    Boxing has been around so much longer, MMA is still growing, so maybe in 20 years the better athletes will be in MMA. But for now, I still believe the better athletes are boxers. Roy Jones Jr could have possibly been an NBA basketball player for example, I don’t think anyone in MMA could really hang in any professional team sport because they don’t have the athletic ability.

    With the advent of MMA training facilities, kids today probably for the first time ever will actually have the oppurtunity to train in MMA their whole life, like most of the top boxers have trained in boxing their whole life.

    Not just a single discipline, and this should also lead to MMA producing better fighters in the future. WIth time, more and more people gain more and more experience to pass down to the next generations.

    Boxing is a bit on the decline, and MMA is on the rise, so in the future my opinions could change I don’t deny that.

    This is all just my take, and before I get crucified by the MMAers for saying boxing has better athletes, I will say that you have to give things time, boxing has been around so much longer than MMA, it’s only natural that better athletes are involved with boxing.

    But more importantly, why can’t you all just get along? And why does one have to be better than the other? To me it would be natural for one to be a fan of both of these sports but by judging by what I see on the internet I guess not. And to me, these sports could really be helping out one another.

    Hell I don’t see a reason why both sports could not team up and co-promote events that would gain popularity for both sports (I have heard of a few co-promoted events but nothing big)

    Like imagine a huge PPV with a Lesnar vs. Fedor fight and a Mayweather vs. Pac-Man fight. This would draw diehard fans of BOTH sports, as well as fair weather MMA and fair weather boxing fans altogether for one big extravaganza. It would totally own and shatter PPV records in my opinion, I think it would be a great thing for both sports.

  56. John Staumph

    July 16, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Thought I’d throw this out there, Anderson Silva is 1-1 in boxing and got TKO’d in the 2nd round by a guy who is the #138 light heavyweight in the world according to (granted the guy is 38 years now, but his record is 31-21 and he’s been KO’d 16 times).

    ALthough I’ve heard that boxers haven’t faired well in MMA either, I don’t have the evidence though.

  57. unbiased lover of both

    July 18, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Most of you guys are just plain morons.. what are you argueing about?
    Why do you feel the need to compare both sports so much? You might aswell go saying shaq would get destroyed in a football match since by your logic both sports have a ball and thus are the same.
    Boxing and MMA are just two different arts. Get over yourselves.

  58. yellowthunda

    July 22, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    mma isn’t real fighting. its far from it. in a real fight i’ll hit you with a bat or a bottle. you’ll get stabbed and you try to do that gay grappling crap, i’ll kick you in the balls.

    mma is dudes humping each other + bum fights

    • Mazz

      November 2, 2009 at 9:31 pm

      off topic but still true. If you can’t appreciate the ground game then you prob can’t get into MMA.

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  60. Fedor Emelianenko

    August 16, 2009 at 8:54 am

    Jokes Boxer vs MMA. Watch some real fights like MMA. MMA guys would whip your little boxers all they do is punch real fighters do it with knees, take downs, strikes combine all their moves and use it and boxing is boring; nothing good comes out of them real world MMA fighters will whip Boxers unless they fight in Boxing ring (rules).

    P.S. Watch Muay Thai on youtube those are some good realistic boxing combining kneese, elbows, punches, and kicks. Your Boxers would get Knocked Out aganist one of them their small but their deadly as hell.

  61. Clint

    August 16, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    a good boxer will force any decent MMA fighter to change his stand up game to the point of not even having one.

  62. TAKEZO

    September 19, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    ok just g2 say im a boxer……. n have gotten in this argument plenty of times with mma fights / karate n other martial artists … n sometimes we end up fighting …. n srry 2 say i win hands down karate is useless there punches suck they don’t even hurt know kicking hurts alot but even though im a boxer i know how 2 kick n i use it in a street fight … n i did some wrestling back in high school so i know how to sprawl … n i do watch mma (fan of matchida , rampage n matt huges) …..but the mma fighters i fight yes amateurs were useless i didn’t let take me down n if they do i usually know when they grab my arm i move it the try 2 wrap there arm around my neck i put my chin down …. n if they try 2 summit my legs i just out strength em my legs r my strongest …..idk im a amateur 2 but the hardest fights 4 me is against a boxer or Muay Thai …. srry but amateur mma fighters r garbage ………….

  63. Mazz

    November 2, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    DAMN I haven’t been up on this blog in forever but some really awesome comments and arguments. Its apples to bananas but the theory crafting is still enlightening none the less. I guess I’ll sign off on this by sayin I’d love to see more boxing in MMA. Honestly unless there’s two great jui jitsu guys rolling the ground game (mainly ground and pound) is effing boring me to death.

    While I love a good judo throw or a killer slam, my favorite fights have been good stand up battles. Peace to everyone for commenting. Stay open minded. SOrry I was a dick in the beginning.

  64. glenn leslie

    February 4, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    since i was a kid i watched the boxing on telemundo etc…from miguel canto to hilario zapata i saw them all kaosai galaxy wow !!!man ….so if you can tell me about a no chin hype like roy no we can forget jones and not tell me about miguel canto well stop talking about boxing do us all a favor carlos monzon would HAVE LEFT ROY ON HIS FACE SPEED DONT MATTER WHEN YOU OUT COLD b hop TO WOULD have met the same fate glenn leslie srv no jimi hendix as well

  65. glenn leslie

    February 4, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    since i was a kid i watched the boxing on telemundo etc…from miguel canto to hilario zapata i saw them all kaosai galaxy wow !!!man ….so if you can tell me about a no chin hype like roy no we can forget jones and not tell me about miguel canto well stop talking about boxing do us all a favor carlos monzon would HAVE LEFT ROY ON HIS FACE SPEED DONT MATTER WHEN YOU OUT COLD b hop TO WOULD have met the same fate glenn leslie srv no jimi hendrix as well

  66. JDeM

    August 4, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Here is my take on the Boxer vs MMA fighter. What I think confuses alot of people is that they look at what a boxer does, and what an MMA fighter does.
    Yes, the boxer will always be the better striker. Because that’s what they’re highly trained to do. MMA’s can hit hard as well, but they have other weapons in their assault. So who wins in the fight?
    It comes down to the PERSON…not the label they’re under.
    A Sugar Ray Leonard (who’s a great boxer), well, I’m afraid once he was taken down, I don’t think he’d have the physical strength to get out of a trained hold.
    Ok. NOW, put JAKE LAMOTTA in the MMA! He’d be too violent to contain in there. They’d have to have guys jumping in there to save the MMA warrior.
    Oh, and good luck taking down a George Forman. Good God!
    So, that’s my 2 cents. Don’t go by the label….go by the PERSON.
    …………and Randy will win over Toney the 28th of August.

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  68. glenn ;eslie

    September 27, 2010 at 9:11 am

    hi its glenn back thats big g to you…. how about ray mercer 40 years old and kos 20 year old mma tim silva with one punch ha ha ha mma fans go home as for roy jones overrated he would have been kod by carlos monzon a real champ his flash would have held off carlos for a few mins then roy b backin up backin up holding on holding on and then oops good night roy..’ now we can forget is my rap roy jones boxings idiot ‘ glenn leslie ps. speed is importent but being complete fighter is something else …glenn leslie

  69. Dat Guy

    January 9, 2011 at 12:44 am

    I find it funny seeing “I’m a boxer but I have training in (some form of grappling) and beat MMA guys all the time.” because that means (wait for it) you’re a mixed martial artist. Which means you’re a mixed martial artist who’s beaten other mixed martial artists in a mixed martial arts fight. Therein not proving anything other than having good stand-up helps in a mixed martial arts match (which has always been the case). But a pure boxer against a pure mixed martial artist in a mixed martial arts fight goes to the mixed martial artist. Why? Because the boxer being a pure boxer means he hasn’t trained in kickboxing, muay thai, wrestling, jujitsu, judo, karate, etc. Meaning he doesn’t know how to check kicks or sprawl against a take down.

    Now I’m not saying a boxer has no chance like some are. Every fight starts standing up. So if the boxer can get something going fast and early he can take out the mixed martial artist before the mixed martial artist has a chance to do anything else. Boxer gets taken down and the fight’s over. A wrestler will either go for the mount and drop bombs or if he really wants to avoid getting hit. Crucifix position. BJJ practitioner is using his submissions. Now say the fight stays stand up for some ridiculous reason. Leg-kicks and teeps outrange any punch a boxer can throw.

    • Mazz

      January 12, 2011 at 9:28 pm

      Good argument man I totally agree. Funny thing is I just started at a Boxing Gym cuz I got a great deal on a membership and need to get in shape fast. I’m only a few weeks in and I already don’t like it much, I really want to learn take downs and submissions at the moment. But shit, thought I’d have an open mind and give it a try and my ankle is a little too weak right now to try any Muay Thai.

      The one thing I’ve noticed is that in the classes… there is no stretching what so ever. Never thought of this as being disadvantageous to boxers, but I seriously doubt their flexibility in comparison to that of a wrestler or BJJ practitioner, let alone any form like Muay Thai that depends on a high range of kicks. Also the footwork and headwork confuses me.

      Another thing I find interesting is how well some wrestlers do when they come to the UFC and decide they want to stand and bang and not even bother wrestling or only use it defensively. Chuck Liddell is a prime example of this but there are many others.


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